With the questions on when or when not to vaccinate being brought up more than ever, it’s important to know what to consider when deciding on vaccinations for members of your family. Recently, Dr. Oertle joined The BS Show to discuss this ongoing, important topic. Read the transcript or listen to the interview below.
Bob Sansevere (00:00):
We are joined by Dr. John Oertle, the Co-Founder and Chief Medical Officer for Solidarity HealthShare at solidarityhealthshare.org. Doctor, I got to ask you, well, I’m not going to ask you. I’m going to tell you what I hear. I call my doctor’s office, I call my pharmacy. I got to take my daughter for a checkup, just an annual checkup, but I call the office and then I call the pharmacy. And all I hear is don’t forget to get your COVID shots. If you’re older, the age of, I tell you, blah, blah, blah, should we even be thinking about COVID shots? I’ve heard so much about how they’re bad for people and they’re not what they were portrayed as. And if that’s the case, why are they pushing this COVID shot? Where are you on that? And we’re solidarity health share in COVID shots now four years afterward or whatever it is.
Dr. John Oertle (00:47):
Yeah, so Bob, it’s actually a wonderful question. It’s interesting. It is interesting to me that we have doctors still pushing COVID shots
Bob Sansevere (00:57):
And pharmacies.
Dr. John Oertle (00:58):
What we’re seeing is that it’s not like we’re having a lot of hospitalizations coming from COVID or deaths coming from COVID anymore. COVID is still out there, but the virulence from it, I mean, right now we’ve got a strain that’s happening. It causes really severe throat pain. So a sore throat still has the upper respiratory, but it doesn’t cause, I mean, outside of just it causing flu-like symptoms and sore throat, it’s not causing respiratory distress or death as far as this goes. So again, this whole aspect of cost benefits when it comes to vaccinations, it’s important to make informed decisions. But again, I would say even that just a lot of docs that are pushing for COVID shots right now for your listeners, make sure that you’re aware of is it actually even the right strain? Is it actually, are you at risks where that would be something that it would be valuable for you to get? But I would certainly say right now the risk of coming down with COVID is it’s around, but it’s not going to cause the severe issues that it did back in 2020, 2021.
Bob Sansevere (02:09):
All right. Now here’s my follow up question. Have they tweaked the vaccine so that it is safer and better? Because all heard the stories about people who have, some people claim that the vaccine led to their death. I have a friend who swears that he wound up getting diabetes from it, or it was just bad adverse reactions. We’ve heard of that and we’ve heard of those giant masses that are left in their body or their blood. When people have died, they have found them. Now, I don’t know that people claim it’s from the COVID, but have they at least been trying to, are they using the same vaccine that they gave us when it first happened or is this a different, have they tweaked it or made it better and safer? Do you know anything about that?
Dr. John Oertle (02:51):
They have modified it to be able to make sure that it’s going to be effective to some immunity for the strains that are continuing to come on out. In regards to safety, one of my biggest concerns is the fact that when it comes to longitudinal studies and true safety data, and this is where we really haven’t had followed the science and it’s still in production, and yet we’re tweaking these things, but still without the full understanding of what it actually does. So this is where the risks as you’re alluding to, there’s definitely adverse events that go on. I think even when you see there’s the VARs reporting database that is provided for physicians to be able to actually report adverse events to vaccines. We know that that’s usually under-reported the adverse events to vaccinations. But we do know that adverse events do occur.
(03:55):
I provide a lot of caution to when I talk to patients just about what are these adverse events? Because we do see at least stories, and I’ve had patients that at the timing, certainly it doesn’t go so well as far as seeing some of these more autoimmune or adverse events that are happening as a result of the vaccine. So with all things in medicine, everything does have their risks. And so you want to make sure that the risks, you are having informed consent to those risks, and you want to make sure that it’s actually being done to be able to prevent something that actually you are taking the risk appropriately if you’re trying to prevent against a disease. And so again, at least they’ve modified it. But again, I still have strong concerns as far as some of these risks.
Bob Sansevere (04:45):
Well, you see, I-
Dr. John Oertle (04:45):
You know that blood clotting is a blood clotting is a concern on these risks factors? So I mean, this is where some of these autoimmune conditions are reactivity. This is something that’s common within or at least happens from vaccination. So we want to be able to make sure that you’re not taking that risk.
Bob Sansevere (05:04):
Well, I had one booster and then I was done because I started hearing the adverse things. And I had COVID several times, and I never had it worse than a cold, thankfully. And my family was pretty much, several of us had it, but it was never more than a cold. So we were happy with that. Now, I got to cut my daughter. She went for a checkup, and the doctor delivered all five of my kids. Well, he delivered four of ’em. The fifth one I actually caught because he said, you want this one? Because I’d been poking, probably knocking ’em out of the way for the first four. And when she was coming out, I just pulled her out and it wasn’t really a pull because she came Sluicing pretty much. But anyway,
Dr. John Oertle (05:45):
Bob, that’s impressive. Very impressive.
Bob Sansevere (05:47):
Well, I mean, you know what? I’ve delivered one of my children, and so I’m very proud of that. And there are times I wish I had the opportunity to put her back, which she drives me crazy, which is very rare, I assure you. Yeah, she’s 16, you figure it out. But anyway, she had some shots that were overdue, and I know I have no problem with the polio vaccine because that’s been around and has been saving people. The MMR, was it measles, rubella? What’s the other I, measles, mumps and rubella Mums rub. Well, that one’s fine. Was a third one.
Dr. John Oertle (06:26):
Yes,
Bob Sansevere (06:27):
It’ll come to me. But the one she didn’t get was the varicella or chickenpox. It was in frozen form. And the nurse actually said, you know what? She’s going to be coming back for another checkup, a follow up, so we can give it to her then. So she took three of them. But I mean, any of those are vital, right? Or is the vari cellar vital? She’s never had chickenpox, and she’s had, it’s not like the first time, it’s her last vaccine. I guess they come in several stages over a child’s when you’re a child, and she probably laid on ’em, but she got those or three of them, and there’s that one that she’s going to get. But is the chickenpox vaccine still a big deal to get? I assume it is, or is it?
Dr. John Oertle (07:07):
Well, Bob, when you’re talking about a lot of these things, it’s making sure that you’re an informed consumer when it comes to your own healthcare.
Bob Sansevere (07:14):
That’s why I talked to you!
Dr. John Oertle (07:15):
I’ll give this example. Yeah, I’ll give the example. The polio virus vaccine, right? Actually, it’s been around forever. This was one of the first ones, and it’s an incredible vaccine. It works incredibly well. This is why the rates of polio are next to nothing in the world, and it is a very stable virus. So it actually works. It provides immunity. And the good news is with the polio vaccine is that the risks are very low with this. It doesn’t have a lot of adverse events that are associated with the polio vaccine. And so with that though, but one of those areas though is that you hardly have any contamination of polio here in the United States.
Bob Sansevere (07:55):
Yes.
Dr. John Oertle (07:56):
We haven’t had any transmission of polio in the United States, and there’s really only few places, few countries in the world that still have even polio. And so when you see this, again, if you’re going to a country, I always say maybe if you have exposure, but if you’re never exposed to the polio virus again, then is the actual vaccine necessary. And that’s for patients to be able to choose and elect to be able to make sure that they doesn’t have hardly any side effects. So is it worth just getting the polio virus? We know it works. Hardly has any side effects with it, but there’s hardly any polio virus out there that you’re exposed to.
Bob Sansevere (08:38):
But thats what I would take a chance with.
Dr. John Oertle (08:39):
It’s for people to make their own decisions because that’s where it is your own healthcare.
Bob Sansevere (08:43):
What about the chicken pox?
Dr. John Oertle (08:43):
Your parents’ healthcare should be able to decide.
Bob Sansevere (08:45):
That’s the one left. Is that a big deal too? Cause I mean, I had chickenpox as a kid, and you get some –
Dr. John Oertle (08:53):
Well, many in our generation did. And so again, when you have chickenpox, you provide natural immunity to the actual chickenpox. One of the things is that if your daughter hasn’t had chickenpox, then she lacks that immunity. And so it’s one of these areas that chickenpox is definitely more severe. The older you get.
Bob Sansevere (09:12):
She has had shots for it or I don’t know how many you get, but she’s had at least one or two over the years, but she needs that last one.
Dr. John Oertle (09:22):
So it’s one of these areas that if she’s had it and you’re looking to be able to try to protect against it, then she may want to be able to consider to be able to get it. There is also some benefit to this. Say for instance, if you come down with chickenpox when you are pregnant, it actually is really dangerous for the baby.
Bob Sansevere (09:40):
Well, then that-
Dr. John Oertle (09:40):
-Able to have chickenpox when you’re pregnant,
Bob Sansevere (09:42):
Makes you made up the mind. She will absolutely get it. Now I got to ask that.
Dr. John Oertle (09:46):
Yeah, so it’s just making sure that you’re making good decisions when it comes to the electing what you put into your body and what you’re actually being given, and yeah, asking some questions, being a good advocate for yourself is always a great thing.
Bob Sansevere (09:57):
All right. Now I’m going to close with this. I came across this yesterday. I looked it up, and it’s true. This was on social media, but 1796, Edward Jenna used matter from a milk maid’s cowpox lesion to inoculate a young boy against smallpox. This bold act became the birth of vaccination, saving millions over the next centuries. You know who he is, but why is Edward Jenner not famous? I mean, did he not have a good PR agent? I mean, the guy, he invented the vaccine, so I don’t understand why we don’t know more about him.
Dr. John Oertle (10:29):
He’s kind of like the Tesla, I would imagine.
Bob Sansevere (10:31):
Yes.
Dr. John Oertle (10:32):
That’s a good point. Yep. The technology, some of these brilliant scientists that you don’t know of, and that ended up, you’re right, they don’t have the pr. So you’re a brilliant scientist, you have a great idea, but maybe not the best in business or protection of your IP. So I totally understand that. If we had Twitter, you feel bad for him as far as that goes, but-
Bob Sansevere (10:53):
We had Twitter or X, he’d be huge. All right. I want to remind people, Solidarity HealthShare at solidarityhealthshare.org. Check it out. Great alternative to traditional healthcare. Dr. Oertle thank you so much. He is the Chief Medical Officer and co-founder of Solidarity HealthShare. We’ll take a quick break. The BS Show will be right back.
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